RiscPC help

[sniffer]

For totally unrelated reasons, I needed to upsize the hard disk in the RO 3.7 machine (ARM710, 128MB). On replacing the original hdd and installing a fresh Uniboot structure on the new one, and only !ADFFS installed, exactly the same problem. Running !ADFFS hangs the machine.

Think I'll step back through versions to see if any run as expected.

[sniffer]

So, for completeness and your information I removed the uniboot structure and ...

I tried v2.6.1, v2.6.3 and v2.6.4h and they all loaded to the icon bar as I guess they should.

v2.6.8 still hangs the machine.

I don't have any other versions.

[JonAbbott]

There's no code changes between the start up sequence of 2.64 and 2.68 which confuses me even more. I can't fathom out why I can't recreate the issue on any of my RiscPC and you're seeing it on all yours. It has me stumped at the minute.

Load 2.64, then manually load the ADFFS400 Module from the 2.68 folder to see if it hangs. I wonder if the issue is the ADFFSFiler Module and not ADFFS.

[sniffer]

Loading 2.64 to the icon bar and then a manual 'RMLoad ADFFS400' from the command prompt does NOT hang the machine.

All very odd.

I can of course do a 'RMReinit ADFS' before loading !ADFFS and that seems to work.

[JonAbbott]

The question is, why does RMReInit ADFS appear to resolve the problem? Does reinitialising another innocuous Module also resolve it, or only ADFS?

Off the top of my head, things that could cause this behaviour:

1. Old version of VProtect (there was a bug in the Module handling code)
2. Old version of CLib (ADFFS will load a newer version which will cause issues with softloaded C based Apps/Modules)
3. Module virus (can't recall the name, but there's one that attaches to the Module Init sequence)
4. ADFS locking because it can't initialise

I had considered Modules in the NIC and Podules, but they're unlikely if it's affecting several machines.

Hold SHIFT while you power on, which will drop you at the Supervisor * prompt, then pipe the output of the Modules to a text file so I can try to recreate your setup:

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*MODULES { > $.modules }
*ROMMODULES { > $.modvers }

After those two commands and whilst still at the Supervisor prompt, manually RMLoad ADFFS400 to confirm it locks the machine with nothing loaded. Meanwhile I'll create some bespoke debug builds with parts of the code disabled, in an attempt to track down what's locking the machine.

[sniffer]

Been away for a few days ...

So, RMReinit on other modules does not resolve the issue.
No Vprotect loaded.
All machines have same i-cubed 600 cards

Holding shift doesn't drop me to the supervisor prompt, it only prevents normal boot. Can't remember how to get to the supervisor prompt at boot. I thought holding * achieved it but it doesn't seem to here.

I reconfigured the 3.70 machine to noboot and moved the drive contents to a subfolder. On reboot, though at the desktop initially, the results of *modules & *rommodules are as follows (Sorry, can't attach);

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*modules
No. Position Workspace Name
  1 0380CDE4 00000000  UtilityModule
  2 0382D004 02100014  Podule
  3 0382EB74 021005D4  FileSwitch
  4 0383AA3C 02101254  ResourceFS
  5 0383B684 00000000  Messages
  6 038FA7F0 02101294  MessageTrans
  7 038FB5F4 021027C4  TerritoryManager
  8 038FCFD4 02102874  UK
  9 038FE924 021029E4  WindowManager
 10 03912088 00000000  Desktop
 11 03912AA4 021025F4  Mouse
 12 03914B1C 02102534  PS2Driver
 13 039159E0 0217FD84  TaskManager
 14 039190BC 0217C6A4  ADFSFiler
 15 0391D2DC 02102514  ARM
 16 0391D7A4 00000000  BASIC
 17 0392A53C 021024F4  BASICTrans
 18 0392B280 021024D4  BufferManager
 19 0392C2FC 0216B504  ColourTrans
 20 03930360 02104F34  Debugger
 21 03932754 02105124  DeviceFS
 22 039346EC 02105154  DMAManager
 23 03935E34 02105274  DragASprite
 24 03936F5C 00000000  DragAnObject
 25 03937440 021052A4  Draw
 26 0393D69C 021058C4  FileCore%ADFS
    0393D69C 00000000  FileCore%Base
 27 0394DEC4 021053D4  ADFS
 28 03955C64 0217D0F4  Filer
 29 0395D080 021507D4  FilerSWIs
 30 0395D370 021508C4  FSLock
 31 0395E4D4 02150A54  FontManager
 32 0396D750 02151664  InverseTable
 33 0396DC0C 02151A84  FPEmulator
 34 039751A8 02151B34  Free
 35 039768F0 00000000  GameModes
 36 03976948 02152474  Hourglass
 37 039771B0 02152564  IIC
 38 039775DC 02152584  International
 39 0397A908 00000000  IRQUtils
 40 0397B270 021B5FE4  DisplayManager
 41 03982FCC 00000000  NetFiler
 42 0398701C 021525A4  NetStatus
 43 03987340 00000000  NetUtils
 44 03987394 00000000  Obey
 45 03987C44 021525C4  ParallelDeviceDriver
 46 039889C8 021526F4  InternationalKeyboard
 47 03989944 02152744  Pinboard
 48 0398DE44 021530B4  PipeFS
 49 0398EF24 00000000  RAMFSFiler
 50 0398F8B0 0217EE44  ResourceFiler
 51 0398FFF8 00000000  ROMFonts
 52 039CD08C 02104EF4  RTCAdjust
 53 039CD7D0 02104E84  ScreenBlanker
 54 039CE270 02104E34  SerialDeviceDriver
 55 039CF238 02104DA4  SerialDeviceSupport
 56 039CF8DC 02104D64  SerialMouse
 57 039CFECC 021D2304  ShellCLI
 58 039D0458 02104C44  SoundDMA
 59 039D1C98 02153454  SoundChannels
 60 039D30E0 021555F4  SoundScheduler
 61 039D38C4 02157614  SpriteExtend
 62 039E7024 00000000  SpriteUtils
 63 039E760C 0215A4C4  Squash
 64 039E9048 00000000  SuperSample
 65 039E995C 0215A524  SystemDevices
 66 039EA6C0 0215A654  TaskWindow
 67 039ECC24 00000000  WindowUtils
 68 039ECC7C 0215A684  FilterManager
 69 039ED530 0215A6D4  WaveSynth
 70 039EDFCC 0215ADD4  StringLib
 71 039EEA54 0215B5F4  Percussion
 72 03A1D074 00000000  Filer_Action
 73 03A238FC 02168C64  DOSFS
 74 03A2E094 02167904  ColourPicker
 75 03A3C48C 02162164  ScreenModes
 76 03A3E860 02160FB4  DrawFile
 77 03A44340 0215F954  BootCommands
 78 03A47970 00000000  AUNMsgs
 79 03A4E750 02153404  MbufManager
 80 03A50AE4 0219FDE4  Internet
 81 03A7FA08 00000000  BootNet
 82 03A7FE84 0215CE64  Freeway
 83 03A83660 021A56E4  ShareFS
 84 03A9389C 00000000  !Edit
 85 03A962D0 00000000  !Draw
 86 03ABFDA4 00000000  !Paint
 87 03AD5828 00000000  !Alarm
 88 03AE39A4 00000000  !Chars
 89 03AE48FC 00000000  !Help
 90 03AE6514 00000000  Printers
 91 03B61164 0215C6A4  PDriver
 92 03B619F8 021A71D4  TinyStubs
 93 03B94928 00000000  CDFSResources
 94 03B97504 021A8164  CDFSdriver
 95 03B988BC 021A8DA4  CDFSSoftATAPI
 96 03B9A6C8 0215C274  CDFSSoftChinonEESOX
 97 03B9B15C 0215BFE4  CDFSSoftHitachiEESOX
 98 03B9BBFC 0215E624  CDFSSoftPhilipsEESOX
 99 03B9C8D8 021A9744  CDFSSoftSonyEESOX
100 03B9D8D0 021A99B4  CDFSSoftToshibaEESOX
101 03B9E2E0 021A9C24  CDFS
102 03BA1BF8 021D0B74  CDFSFiler
103 021B64F4 0215BF54  CallASWI
104 021B7734 00000000  SharedCLibrary
105 02173434 02172294  EtherH

*rommodules
No. Position    Module Name             Version Status
  1 System ROM    UtilityModule           3.71    Active
  2 System ROM    Podule                  1.42    Active
  3 System ROM    FileSwitch              2.36    Active
  4 System ROM    ResourceFS              0.15    Active
  5 System ROM    Messages                0.83    Active
  6 System ROM    MessageTrans            0.31    Active
  7 System ROM    TerritoryManager        0.23    Active
  8 System ROM    UK                      0.22    Active
  9 System ROM    WindowManager           3.69    Active
 10 System ROM   Desktop                 2.53    Active
 11 System ROM   Mouse                   0.08    Active
 12 System ROM   Portable                0.64    Dormant
 13 System ROM   PS2Driver               0.18    Active
 14 System ROM   TaskManager             1.04    Active
 15 System ROM   ADFSFiler               0.84    Active
 16 System ROM   ARM                     0.12    Active
 17 System ROM   BASIC                   1.16    Active
 18 System ROM   BASICTrans              2.00    Active
 19 System ROM   BufferManager           0.24    Active
 20 System ROM   ColourTrans             1.65    Active
 21 System ROM   Debugger                1.48    Active
 22 System ROM   DeviceFS                0.30    Active
 23 System ROM   DMAManager              0.12    Active
 24 System ROM   DragASprite             0.11    Active
 25 System ROM   DragAnObject            0.03    Active
 26 System ROM   Draw                    1.09    Active
 27 System ROM   BBCEconet               0.16    Dormant
 28 System ROM   Econet                  5.72    Dormant
 29 System ROM   FileCore                2.98    Active
 30 System ROM   ADFS                    3.29    Active
 31 System ROM   RamFS                   2.11    Dormant
 32 System ROM   Filer                   1.85    Active
 33 System ROM   FilerSWIs               0.03    Active
 34 System ROM   FSLock                  1.18    Active
 35 System ROM   FontManager             3.37    Active
 36 System ROM   InverseTable            0.03    Active
 37 System ROM   FPEmulator              4.08    Active
 38 System ROM   Free                    0.31    Active
 39 System ROM   GameModes               2.00    Active
 40 System ROM   Hourglass               2.11    Active
 41 System ROM   IIC                     0.14    Active
 42 System ROM   International           1.27    Active
 43 System ROM   IRQUtils                2.52    Active
 44 System ROM   Joystick                0.22    Dormant
 45 System ROM   DisplayManager          0.33    Active
 46 System ROM   NetFS                   5.90    Dormant
 47 System ROM   NetFiler                0.75    Active
 48 System ROM   NetPrint                5.53    Dormant
 49 System ROM   NetStatus               2.06    Active
 50 System ROM   NetUtils                2.00    Active
 51 System ROM   Obey                    0.33    Active
 52 System ROM   ParallelDeviceDriver    0.44    Active
 53 System ROM   InternationalKeyboard   0.36    Active
 54 System ROM   Pinboard                0.66    Active
 55 System ROM   PipeFS                  0.15    Active
 56 System ROM   RAMFSFiler              0.32    Active
 57 System ROM   ResourceFiler           0.14    Active
 58 System ROM   ROMFonts                0.16    Active
 59 System ROM   RTCAdjust               0.05    Active
 60 System ROM   ScreenBlanker           2.20    Active
 61 System ROM   SerialDeviceDriver      0.35    Active
 62 System ROM   SerialDeviceSupport     0.21    Active
 63 System ROM   SerialMouse             0.05    Active
 64 System ROM   ShellCLI                0.28    Running
 65 System ROM   SoundDMA                1.54    Active
 66 System ROM   SoundChannels           1.30    Active
 67 System ROM   SoundScheduler          1.21    Active
 68 System ROM   SpriteExtend            1.04    Active
 69 System ROM   SpriteUtils             1.10    Active
 70 System ROM   Squash                  0.24    Active
 71 System ROM   SuperSample             0.09    Active
 72 System ROM   SystemDevices           1.25    Active
 73 System ROM   TaskWindow              0.56    Active
 74 System ROM   WindowUtils             2.50    Active
 75 System ROM   FilterManager           0.11    Active
 76 System ROM   WaveSynth               1.13    Active
 77 System ROM   StringLib               1.11    Active
 78 System ROM   Percussion              1.10    Active
 79 System ROM   BatMgr                  0.23    Dormant
 80 System ROM   SharedCLibrary          4.85    Dormant
 81 System ROM   Filer_Action            0.41    Active
 82 System ROM   DOSFS                   0.63    Active
 83 System ROM   ColourPicker            0.39    Active
 84 System ROM   ScreenModes             0.18    Active
 85 System ROM   DrawFile                1.46    Active
 86 System ROM   BootCommands            1.16    Active
 87 System ROM   AUNMsgs                 0.07    Active
 88 System ROM   MbufManager             0.17    Active
 89 System ROM   Internet                5.02    Active
 90 System ROM   Net                     6.18    Dormant
 91 System ROM   BootNet                 0.89    Active
 92 System ROM   Freeway                 0.26    Active
 93 System ROM   ShareFS                 3.40    Active
 94 System ROM   !Edit                   1.54    Active
 95 System ROM   !Draw                   1.11    Active
 96 System ROM   !Paint                  1.94    Active
 97 System ROM   !Alarm                  2.70    Active
 98 System ROM   !Chars                  1.18    Active
 99 System ROM   !Help                   2.29    Active
100 System ROM  Printers                1.54    Active
101 System ROM  MakePSFont              1.09    Dormant
102 System ROM  PDriverDP               4.42    Dormant
103 System ROM  PDriverPS               4.42    Dormant
104 System ROM  PDumperSupport          1.21    Dormant
105 System ROM  RemotePrinterSupport    1.03    Dormant
106 System ROM  PDumperCX               1.18    Dormant
107 System ROM  PDumperDM               1.18    Dormant
108 System ROM  PDumperIW               1.18    Dormant
109 System ROM  PDumperLJ               1.18    Dormant
110 System ROM  PDumperE2               1.18    Dormant
111 System ROM  PDriver                 3.25    Active
112 System ROM  TinyStubs               0.06    Active
113 System ROM  Toolbox                 1.36    Unplugged
114 System ROM  Window                  1.31    Unplugged
115 System ROM  Menu                    0.24    Unplugged
116 System ROM  Iconbar                 1.12    Unplugged
117 System ROM  ColourDbox              0.15    Unplugged
118 System ROM  ColourMenu              0.17    Unplugged
119 System ROM  DCS                     1.06    Unplugged
120 System ROM  FileInfo                0.14    Unplugged
121 System ROM  FontDbox                0.14    Unplugged
122 System ROM  FontMenu                0.17    Unplugged
123 System ROM  PrintDbox               0.09    Unplugged
124 System ROM  ProgInfo                0.09    Unplugged
125 System ROM  SaveAs                  0.12    Unplugged
126 System ROM  Scale                   0.11    Unplugged
127 System ROM  CDFSResources           2.34    Active
128 System ROM  CDFSdriver              2.33    Active
129 System ROM  CDFSSoftATAPI           1.25    Active
130 System ROM  CDFSSoftChinonEESOX     1.02    Active
131 System ROM  CDFSSoftHitachiEESOX    1.02    Active
132 System ROM  CDFSSoftPhilipsEESOX    1.03    Active
133 System ROM  CDFSSoftSonyEESOX       1.09    Active
134 System ROM  CDFSSoftToshibaEESOX    1.03    Active
135 System ROM  CDFS                    2.29    Active
136 System ROM  CDFSFiler               2.40    Active
137 System ROM  UnSqueezeAIF            0.03    Dormant
  1 Podule 8      MbufManager             0.17    Unplugged
  2 Podule 8      CallASWI                0.11    Active
  3 Podule 8      SharedCLibrary          5.59    Active
  4 Podule 8      EtherH                  4.59    Active

An RMLoad ADFFS400 does still lock the machine at this point.

[JonAbbott]

Thanks for the Module info, I'll reconfigure my RiscPC to match to see if I can recreate the issue.

Could you try loading the attached builds (now removed) and let me know which hang. If the A build loads okay, try doing an RMReInit ADFS straight after and see if it hangs.

[richw]

To get the supervisor at boot, hold SHIFT and * (on the numeric keypad) as you power up.

[sniffer]

Could you try loading the attached builds and let me know which hang. If the A build loads okay, try doing an RMReInit ADFS straight after and see if it hangs.

All three of the builds load to the icon bar WITHOUT causing the machine to hang.

The first two (ADFFS400A & ADFFS400AM) do not cause the floppy to be accesed during loading but DO cause the machine to hang following a subsequent RMReinit adfs.

The third of the builds, ADFFS400S, does cause the floppy drive to be accessed during loading and does NOT cause the machine to hang following a subsequent RMReinit adfs.

I hope that's useful.

To get the supervisor at boot, hold SHIFT and * (on the numeric keypad) as you power up.

Thank you for the reminder.

[JonAbbott]

Great, that pins it down to one area of code that needs further investigation.